[Totoros]

We all agree that the archer class needs improvment ok?
Whether it is entaglment or speed or in my opinion boost in evasion.

Can anyone tell me why the cleric class is so perfect?
They have healing every 3 seconds (for god sake!),
They have invicibility for 7 sec (for god sake!),
They have strong hp regenaration buff (for god sake!),
They have increased attack and defence buff (for god sake!),
They have poison debuff (for god sake!),
They have revive spell (for god sake!)

They can solo for hours in places archers cannot even dreem of
even when a bunch of enemies surounds them (for god sake!)

I will give you an example: I have a level 32 archer in Bijou
and try to solo in Moonlight Toomb.
At the same time many clerics around 24-28 level solo successfully without
the need of any other clerics or fighters even when mobs suround them.
If I try to follow their example killing the same mobs I will briefly end up dead
because a mob spawned in area out of my sight and close enough to
attack me.

Now what archers have:
Bone shot: Bleeding damage (come on it's pathetic)
Fury impact: Poison damage (come on it's pathetic)
Power shot and Aimed shot that inflicts good damage but
it's cooldown time is way too much!
Speed? (are you kidding?)
Attack rate? (are you kidding?)
Evasion? (are you kidding?)

Archers cannot kill anything without using at least 1 hp stone
which are getting more and more expensive as you need more and more.

Clerics? Only sp stones!

Well I ask you again why the cleric class is so self standing untouchable
master of the skills thriumpant while the archer class is so dependent on
the team to be protected and healed.

I trully love the archer class and that's why i chose it in the very biggining
but now I am trully sicked of this imbalance!

All I ask is to answer me this hot question:
Is there a point playing an archer under these circumstances?

[vietoq]

short answer: YES

long answer.. too lazy to type, but it involves go party with ppl, cleric MIGHT look good early lvl, but after 59 people are saying clerics skill improvement sucks, just head over to clerics forum and read there. in fact, all class has their own "our class sucks, others better" thread.

AND, DoT attack on archer is very efficient later on, it gives constant dmg while others depends on atk/def. i always welcome an archer to do aoe poison in my aoe party, and duo-ing or having DD party with archer as main tank + 3 other DDs is one of my fav party setup when i'm on my cleric.

[donkeyCHUM]

i have a lvl 34 cleric and i use about 1 sp stone for every 2-3 monsters i kill in moonlight tomb but i kill constantly so i use them stones up fast, but an archer is a great for when hes with a tank or cleric (som1 who can take the damage) cuz the archer is gonna have a higher attack rate than the tank and then u got ur skillz which r pretty good i'd say.


and clerics can debuff illness and sumthin else i forget
and it aint curses cuz thats them mages that debuff those

[Totoros]

[quote=vietoq;296225]
long answer.. too lazy to type, but it involves go party with ppl,
QUOTE]

What about all those arrogant clerics that just ignore your request of partying?
Why do i have to spent a tremendous amount of time to reach level 59 and
then feel more usefull in the game?
Why are archers in pvp almost useless?

Sorry being tough towards archers but in fact iam tough towards Outspark

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

Archers rule lol our dps is killer once you hit 40 when you get venomus shot, and then when we hit 51 we get the AoE posion attack. Archers have it good lol, we dont have to tank were away from the battle so we dont get killed easy, and when we do take off alot of damage and the mob attacks us we can use Natures Protection and it goes right back to the fighter or cleric, Mages have it bad in that perspective.

Im a lv 46 acher and it rules lol.

[vietoq]

not all clerics are arrogant and soloist, some do enjoy partying (like myself, i never solo). if they ignore your request, just try to find other cleric. after certain lvl they'll beg you for party and not the other way around. other class also suffer your pain, tank fighters have difficulties in finding party till they have devastate, DD fighters have it even worse. mages cant solo very well after certain lvl, they also need cleric, so it's not only archer's problem. only clerics have it easy at lower level coz they can solo, but the time spent on soloing that harken can easily be used to kill 3-4 harkens when they duo with a DD.

in PvP, archer is very good as well! i am one of those ppl who don't believe in 1 on 1 PvP, i rather go GvG like 5 vs 5 or something. not only because i suck at soloing, but also because i dont really believe one hour bashing each other and burning pots is considered PvP at all. especially cleric vs cleric, its not really pvp, just a contest who fell asleep first..

my advise is, choose a class that you enjoy and love the most, and deal with it's suckiness. if you want to play the BEST class, there's none. want proof? browse every class forum, and you will find lots of "this class sucks" thread in each of them, just like what i said earlier.

[slashtrak]

Comparing Archers and Clerics is like comparing apples and oranges.

Don't do it.

If anything compare Archers and Mages, of which Mages are superior currently.

Fighters and Clerics are far too different to gripe about as an Archer.

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

Originally Posted by slashtrak

Comparing Archers and Clerics is like comparing apples and oranges.

Don't do it.

If anything compare Archers and Mages, of which Mages are superior currently.

Fighters and Clerics are far too different to gripe about as an Archer.

Um Mages are not superior they are both equal, though imo the archers are better, Archers have higher DoTs they have natures protection to keep them alive from mobs that they pull off the Fighter. Mages do not have that ability so when they get attacked they most likely die, Archers also have more health so they can take more hits. The only thing Mages do have is the most damage done, but thats also there bad point since they take the creature off the tank and cant take a hit.

Im sure most mages would disagree with me but I play both classes and I have to say the archer is better.

[slashtrak]

See, I play both and I prefer the Mage. (My sig is not a good measure of level, I don't update it...ever.) It's playstyle primarily.

Just currently, Ice Nova is hax. Archers can't really keep up with that.

Before 60 though, it's much more level, I agree.

[vafan]

Stop saying mages die, because they dont. They get hit higher than ranger, yes, but here's some new for you; HP stones! Yes, mages CAN use them! So when you get hit, use a hp stone and run toward the tank so he can taunt the mob off you.

To answer the original question, archer have DoT's (damage over time). I must admit that mages are more usefull in the lower levels, but as you get to lv 51 archer become very useful for an AoE (area of effect) party, because they get AoE poison.

Mages and ranger are pretty much the same, mages hit more, sure, but archers balance that out with DoT's and less sp consumed.